The Deep Self

On 4/10/2011 7:33 PM, Kanefire wrote:

 

I am curious if anyone here has heard of the emerging body of knowledge in trans-personal psychology called “Flow State”?

I have two psychologist (one working on her dissertation about flow state) who have talked about this field and it interests me greatly and I see an intersection with floatation. As I understand it, Flow State is a state of effortless living where situations organize themselves so the the subject simply lives in highly synchronistic states.

John Lilly had some discoveries on Coincidence Control (by your terminology, control of coincidences would be synchronicity). He mentioned numerous coincidence control organizations that he directly discovered via floatation.

And yes, there is the odd paradox that success and healing come to the body that has relaxed and dropped fixation on that body. James Braha wrote about this here: http://www.jamesbraha.com/dialogues.html

The Bible states to seek the Kingdom of God and all else shall follow. So instead of going for the Lamborghini and smoking hot supermodel, you focus above the body on God and before you know it, you have the lamborghini but with much less attachment for it.

So I wouldnt call Flow State an emerging body of knowledge at all.

I have experienced this to a large degree and am pretty sure it has to do with meditation/floatation. I define them as statistical improbabilities occurring regularly.

To identify an event as improbable is a function of a recording mind. To note their regularity is further mental recording. Most such recording is done via a consciousness strongly identified with a single Human Biological Machine, to use EJ Gold’s terminology (grin).

There are certainly other viewpoints on how things happen. In our Western culture our strong individualism makes us focused on being, doing, having, and controlling as a separate isolated entity. In the East, the community minded viewpoint of the non-enlightened as well as the non-linear non-localized mind of the enlightened are completely different from our linear cause-effect perspective.

An example of this state is the old kung fu movies where the master drops a coin and leans over to pick it up. As he is leaning over, the Chinese star just barely misses his head. He then sees a friend and waves and his hand waving blocks an attacker.

Yes, as you wrote in “The Abundance Matrix” – http://www.floatmatrix.com/sf-ca/ebooks/the-abundance-matrix.pdf
“good luck, bad luck, who knows?”

An example more pertinent to floatation, is actually at the end of the floatation episode of The Simpsons (Season 10 Episode 16 “Make Room for Lisa”). Homer takes Lisa to a crash derby after a float. While sitting in the stands, Homer leans over and a car part just barely misses his head.

But will a float session save him the Reaper? When the bell tolls, will 1000 pounds of epsom salt heated to 93.5 deg F lead to a high-tech passover? Physical immortality? Ego-centered success is just a much a form of suffering as ego-centered defeat. But we continue to evolve technically and perhaps one day we will have our cake and eat it too.
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Has anyone else had any of these experiences?

I’ve had brief glimpses of pan-determinism – http://spiritologie.eu/index.php?id=45

By induction and review of the metaphysical literature, other consciousnesses are even more broad, operating two machines, two planets, two universes, non-physical planes, etc. In other words, if the personal mind, or a vast and powerful as the universal mind with the Akashic Records were the prime creator, then mind, prana and physical body are where one should look for answers. However if there are planes of consciousness / body layers prior to and creator of those planes of consciousness, then one might realize and operate from these levels instead of continuing to speak as if the mental meat puppet could truly do/think/know anything. But then how could you soak up funds from other limited consciousnesses? (grin)

Well, you are doing a good job. The merging of mental activity with the awareness of the body is nothing you can force, but you can certainly notice it after a tank session.

Amazing how so much gets done via a tank sleep with absolutely no doing other than making sure the head-neck area is full relaxed.

The future prospects of continued “practice” are most enticing! Thank goodness I did not chase God As Money and leave my home with floatation tank. My bank account moans but my soul soars!

ultra efficient – you get a full nights sleep (tonight was a full nightmare. “oh my god he’s got a knife and he thinks his religion is the greatest. he’s hiding behind my mobile home…” I woke up and my heart was thudding. Then laid down for some more.

then you shower. in just 2-3 hours, you have a deep restful sleep and you’re showered for the next day. just a few more hours of shut-eye and you’re ready for all the activities of the next day, fully hydrated, rested and cleaned.

No visuals today? No problem. I went in exhausted and came out refreshed and clean. Keep plugging away at it. It can only get better.

It’s amazing when your brain has a full storyline cranking out and YOU and your awareness are pointed elsewhere. Sometimes you get full lucidity with a tank sleep session, other times, the dreams runs alongside your pure awareness and your body, making 3 things for the trip.

The effects are also noticeable once you leave the tank.

On 4/2/2011 7:54 AM, x2012gart wrote:

 

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It does seem like the containment tanks are a bit shallow.

yeah, I was worried about that. I got lucky. It’s 16 inches high and the water level with no person in it is 10 inches. But there is no splashing or over-run once I step in to float.

And this is definitely not a tank for people who are not agile. I will make a video of how to enter and exit soon. It’s not hard for me because I like swimming and sports in general. But my tank will never make the day spa — just hardcore types 🙂

In the video it looks like the level of the epsom salt solution comes quite high to the brim of the lower tank. I am wondering if there are tanks that are a bit higher. I saw this site:
http://www.aquaculturetanks.com/photos9.htm – something like picture 98,

wow, nice find! That place is a 2-hour car drive from me! I took a look at the price list – http://www.aquaculturetanks.com/price6.htm

and my tank dimensions are more expensive. However, because theirs is made of fiberglass, you could put a radiant heater UNDER the tank, just like is done in my float to relax. No heat transfers through the plastic of my tank.

But the 16 inches I have is enough… even 14 inches would be OK. My tank is a low-rider. Black, sleek, hung low to the floor (grin).

sure these guys could do a custom size.

Well, my tank is 5 feet wide — very wide by tank standards. I asked about just making it 4 feet or so and they said the cost would be 4 times as much. I think they have certain molds already made and pre-make a huge batch of tanks so a custom job would be very expensive.

Not sure how the Pondmaster Filter System works, do you stick the
thing in the water solution and just let the end stick out the clean water flowing.

The pondmaster does not work and here are my videos to document that:

A tech support guy at Foster and Smith Aquatics suggested it, but it seems that you need a good 1 hp pump to deal with our 300 gallon saltwater systems.

Maybe would like to look at the LifeGard Aquatics and put some holes
into the bottom containment tank to pump water in and out.

Heheh, the sophisticated way. Yes, that’s how the pros do it. But I want to minimize the possibility of leaks, so I’m going to setup something similar to how Barbara Cherington did her pipe work:
https://picasaweb.google.com/thequietcenter/Barbara?feat=directlink

But she did in fact put holes there to go into her tank. I will just manually bring the pump to the water after the float… I would like to use flexible hose, but I think the horsepower is too strong.

But again, my focus is on simplicity first. I want a soccer mom to be able to put together this tank if necessary…. lol

Heating the water seems easy and works, but some tanks clearly have
the heating under the containment tank,

yeah it depends on the material – with fiberglass that should work. But I used a 300 watt calesco waterbed heater and it didnt alter the temperature very much. Perhaps if I tried the liner approach that would work. But I’m all about fast, easy simple because I’m lazy and have a short attention span 🙂

and can keep the heating on
so during longer floats the water can stay at a consistent tempurature.

yeah, long unbroken floats are important for monk work. For your day spas where each person just does 1-hour, then passive heating is fine. But I certainly have become aware of the temperature after maybe 2 hours. It’s a fact that for the 1st hour you are radiating heat and warming the tank, so temperature becomes an issue in the 2nd hour.

And yes, temperature consistency would be better. But some floaters here are quite sensitive to electric waves and know when the heater turns on mid-float – I tend to leave the physical realm altogether, so I’ve never noticed anything like that.

of course, I could counter the whole monk argument because I’ve done zen retreats. They dont necessarily stick to one form of meditation for a long time. They might do sitting for 30-90 minutes and then walking and then back to sitting. So, if they can build up a samadhi while switching meditations, we can certainly pop out of the tank and reheat while we do some on-land meditation.

This also might be safer in terms of the electrics.

I unplug from the wall before every float so I have no worries.

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I finished my Bikram Yoga. I get home and my body is pleading with me: “get into the tank NOW”

So I put up my groceries and flop right in… oops! Let’s unplug those heaters first.

So I’m in and drifting off to sleep. Then I feel a sharp electric-like jolt in the neck. I think: “oh god, i left something plugged in”

But then I get a grip and realize that electrical shock is not that selective – the whole water body would’ve been electric.

So I settle back in and it happens again and again and again… about 4 times total.

I think some long-held tension was releasing.

I leave the tank fully recharged and ready for the day.

The ability of the tank to detect tension and release it is simply amazing: THANK YOU JOHN C. LILLY!